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Please add a new line in the table if you look at a space. Feel free to add to the Comment for a space that you have seen, even if someone else originally made the entry.
Space Requirements
- 24/7 access for members
- At least 600 square feet of actual space, not RSF
- Windows that can be opened
- 3-5 year lease
- Budget ~$2.75K-$3.25K
- Building should ideally be walk ups.
- Most 3-5 story buildings in Midtown Downtown
Luxuries
- High ceilings for storage
- Private bathroom/sink
- Rooftop access
- Direct sunlight
Search Tips
Searching for real estate is difficult. As of Sept 2021, many "office" unit types seem to have been leased by workers who need an office to get away from home after the pandemic. Of the units viewed by members at late 2020, over 70% of the viable units were no longer available a year after.
Searching by square footage: On loopnet.com, listings can be filtered by square footage per year costs. Our monthly income and budget as of Sept 2021 puts our ideal rent at $30 square feet per year for locations that are at least 900 square feet. It may be worth following up on listings whose square footage are far larger than what we need because the building manager may be willing to split a big unit into a smaller one.
Building Access: The reason we specify walk up buildings is because larger building have lobby security that verifies who enters. Buildings with elevators and lobby security will generally prefer/require the tenant only need 24/7 access for a small number of employees. Between our membership, and our public events like open house nights, this is an issue that may require additional deliberation/negotiation. Walk up buildings tend to be like our current building, a single door leading to a staircase. However, walk up buildings have rejected us on the grounds that our foot traffic is a concern. In order to prevent a sudden judgement resulting in a denial, it is suggested that when you describe HackManhattan's business use, you highlight the following.
- We have operated for 10 years without issue or complaints from adjacent units
- Only a third of our active membership have actually accessed our current location.
- Our members are individuals who are
- require to attend multiple public nights to determine culture fit by members
- need to be voted in by multiple members
- briefed with how the community procedures as well as technical operations
While it is possible that a building complete refuse an application because we require too many people have access, there is no reason to suggest that we could not operate in a building of similar size as the one we currently occupy. It is likely a matter of how to convince the landlord that we are not a risk.
Vetting Process
- Post link into the #physical-space channel on slack.
- If craigslist, post pictures and text in message to retain history).
- Contact broker and ask if the units minimum requirements
- 900sqft
- windows that open
- 24/7 access
- DO NOT provide budget
- Organize search party to visit location with broker
- ideally, at least 2 members should be in attendance)
- Update #physical-space channel message as thread with details of the viewing.
- Email the broker and CC building@hackmanhattan.com with review of square footage, price, and ask what is needed for next steps.
- Investigate building address in public records
- Find the building owner in http://maps.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/
- Check if the managing company is a plaintiff or defendant in NY Court Site eCourt https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/webcivil/FCASSearch?param=P
- Lookup the building for complaint records http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/bispi00.jsp
- Property Tax Lookup https://a836-pts-access.nyc.gov/care/Search/Disclaimer.aspx?FromUrl=../search/commonsearch.aspx?mode=address
Offer Letter Draft
Hello
My name is ____ and I represent HackManhattan, a local non-profit makerspace that helps foster science, technology, engineering and math(STEM) by providing affordable access education resources and equipment. Our specialties include 3d printing, prototyping electronics, software development, and other STEM related industries.
We are currently looking for the following:
- 600 Actual Square Feet or more
- Windows that can be opened
- 3-5 year lease.
We started on 14th street and 7th avenue in 2011 and continued to grow. When the pandemic hit, we co-founded nycmakesppe.com to coordinate the manufacturing and distribution of PPE like face shields and masks. As we start to recover, we are hoping to find a new space to continue the work we did when we started.
Sincerely,
______
Web Leads
This section is made separate from actually visited spaces. Many building management companies will use multiple brokers which can clutter up the actual units visited versus listings online. Units here should limited to buildings with confirmed management companies and verified addresses (ie loopernet, not craigslist). Because buildings will be listed with shell companies as owners, the only way to determine the management company is likely by visiting the building directly.
Sites for Searching
- loopnet.com
- https://www.commercialcafe.com
- https://retailproperties.cbre.us/cre/retail-listings?city=New%20York&state=NY&availableSpaceSqftMax=2500&transactionTypes=lease#hybrid
Leads to Investigate
Address | Units available | Status | Management Company | Asking monthly rent | Size | Images | Comments |
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557 8th avenue | St3 | Viewed by Jay and Clyde 2021-09-22 | n/a | $2000 | 1025 | Viewing available on slack https://hackmanhattan.slack.com/archives/C01EREVDXFE/p1632334236029500 https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/557-8th-Ave-New-York-NY/21625348/ Viewing coordinated via Adam Dressler Spoke with Basshar (building super/runs gym next door). | |
241 W 37th Street | 406 1006 |
Business information provided to broker Viewed by Jay 2021-09-21 Viewing Scheduled 2021-09-20 |
n/a | ~$2600 | 835 | Viewing available on slack https://hackmanhattan.slack.com/archives/C01EREVDXFE/p1632243307028400 https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/241-W-37th-St-New-York-NY/23922159/ Spoke with Michael Donkis 406 has offers in play | |
325 West 38th Street | 0201,0303,0304,0402,0403,0603,0703,0705,1001,1401,1509 | Peter please investigate | Falcon Properties | $2000-$3225 | ~600-1500 | https://falconproperties.com/available-rentals/ | |
325 West 38th Street | 0201,0303,0304,0402,0403,0603,0703,0705,1001,1401,1509 | Please investigate | Falcon Properties | $2000-$3225 | ~600-1500 | https://falconproperties.com/available-rentals/ | |
224 West 35th Street | 308,610,1002,1006,1206,203A | Viewed by members | N/A | ~$3750-$4500 | ~1200-1400 | Too expensive Contact: Hiro Iwata | |
330 West 38th Street | 902 | $3200 | 1200 | https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/330-W-38th-St-New-York-NY/17161109/ | |||
262 West 38th Street | 206,702 | $2182-$2300 | 903,920 | https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/262-W-38th-St-New-York-NY/17542493/ | |||
252 West 38th Street | 405,505 | $2240,$2182 | 927,903 | https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/252-W-38th-St-New-York-NY/17542438/ | |||
264 West 40th Street | Mezzanine | $3750 | 1800 | https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/264-W-40th-St-New-York-NY/17124134/ | |||
202 West 40th Street | 903 | $2390 | 989 | https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/202-W-40th-St-New-York-NY/15570171/ | |||
121-127 W 27th St | 205 | $3163 | 1150 | https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/121-127-W-27th-St-New-York-NY/9339578/ Free Rent depending on Term | |||
350 7th Ave | 1205 | n/a | 1000 | https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/350-Seventh-Ave-New-York-NY/3939025/ | |||
St 406 | Contacted Broker | Bluestone Realty | $2698 | 925 | Offers placed https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/241-W-37th-St-New-York-NY/23922159/ | ||
3F | Awaiting response. | Adams & Company | $2563 | 1025 | Building denied our use case 2021-09-20 https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1011-Avenue-of-the-Americas-New-York-NY/18828537/ Viewed by Shenkin and Jay Current top pick. | ||
Places We've Seen
Address | Room | Seen by | Date seen | sf rentable | sf actual | $/sf*yr | Comments and links to photos |
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143 West 29th Street | 904, 1101(1100A) | Jay, AGV | 2021-09-13 | 1000,800 | open unit, 2 office | ~$2500 | Viewed also by Shway, Peter, and Clyde but different units in the building. |
38 W 32nd st | 600, 1301, 1302 | Jay, Shway, Clyde | 2021-03-03 | 1080 sqft & 1050 sqft | single room, two room setups | asking rent around ~$3500. | A See in VLC player for 360 footage. 3-5 years leases, 3% increase possible negotiate, will probably be submitted without property taxes, common area and maintenance charge $60 month: security gaurd, 50% of a submeter, Landlord likes, that we aren't a hawgun, manicure, or spa 600 1301 1302 See all the places we saw today here on https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yrrRnHapPYkmFvmLL-ZvVVh243AsusCL?usp=sharing |
Jay | 2020-11-27 | 1000 sqft | single room, two room setups | metered electricity, shared restroom | 6 units available. Rental comes to ca ~$2850/mo (asking). | ||
555 8th Ave (38th St.) | 810 | Peter | 15 jun 2012 | 810 | 540,single room | Asking $30.95; metered electricity; $25-50/mo water charge | Single 24 x 22.5' room. Rental comes to ca $2250/mo (asking). |
256 W. 38th (bet. 7th & 8th Av) | 5th floor | Peter | 15 Jun 2012 | (sublet) | 400, single room | Previous sublessee paid $2500; would take less; guess would certainly come down to $1500 | Single, separate room, 20x20'. Main lessee has a short-run printing business; his lease runs 3 more years. |
318 W. 39th | 11th Fl. | Peter | 15 Jun 2012 | (sublease) | ca. 650, two connected rooms | Asking $2500/mo | A bit of a warren -- main way in is through the main lessee's offices; it's a fashion business. But maybe there's a separate entrance. I didn't look (but should have). Main lessee's lease expires Feb 2013. |
77 W. 47th | 1602 | Peter | 03 May 2012 | 1090 | 700 | 41 | Lovely space -- single large room. Top floor in the jewelry district. Convenient transp. High-security building might be problematic for us. Price incudes $5/sf*yr electricity charge. |
175 E 2nd St | Basement | Crystal | 27 April 2012 | 1200 | 1000 | 24 | Well laid out for our needs. Lots of power, large turbine fan ventilation system. Full bath in space, motorized lift to street level, washer/dryer & kitchen sink. Enclosed loft room good for meetings & group workshops. Pictures at [1]. |
135 W 20th St 3rd Floor Suites | 3rd Floor | Dave&Guan | 14th May 2012 | 350/400/800 or combination thereof | TBD | 41 (negotiable?) | Great potential for us. 3 possible rooms, elevator access. Near our current location. 24/7 access, noise is no problem. Windows in 2 rooms for ventilation. Renter is familiar with hackerspaces, pleasant and is downsizing existing optics workshop, so facilities are good and some existing equipment which we may be able to share (Workbenches, storage cabinets, CNC mill, lathe etc). Flexible on space/usage depending on our plan, including sharing of space/equipment. Not sure about roof access. Pictures |